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years from now. thank you very much. i think grover norquist will be laughing at all of you. >> all of who? >> you don't solve income inequality by taxing rich people. that doesn't happen. >> i'm just advancing -- >> you don't think the republicans will bear a big part of the blame on this? the president has set it up like that. we want to both keep taxes low on 98%, what can't we -- >> they can spin it any way they want and they will, becky. but i think the key thing here is that neither side is really moving the ball forward. they're not really talking about core issues when it comes to any kind of fiscal sanity. but i will say this, part of the reason the republicans are so reluctant to do business with obama is they got rolled in the first two years. and the other thing is when they hear the rhetoric coming from the left, listen to people like paul krugman who says we've got to print money and borrow money. they're horrified. you take that message down south to a lot of constituencies and they don't want to deal with. so, you know, i think it's a strange time. we do have great p
've got to get through the rocky shoals of grover norquist. >> right. >> and all those folks. >> and you have to get through the rocky shoals of nancy pelosi when you start talking entitlements. >> you see democrats who are, i think, talking very realistically about what needs to be done. on entitlements, i think the question isn't whether we have to do something about medicare, it's how we do something about medicare. >> so wouldn't that be -- and maybe it's naive of me to even bring this up -- but wouldn't that be important for them to take on what those are together and shoulder to shoulder? >> what i remember last summer when the president said to boehner essentially, let's lock arms and jump off the, you know, at that point it was a different kind of cliff, together. it's going to require both leaders. each is going to have to make sacrifices. in order to get this done. and i think that, you know, i think everybody recognizes the consequences of not getting it done. >> so how do you tell republicans that won't support a tax increase unless they believe entitlement reform's coming? h
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